Politics

[Hogpatrol]

 

[Hogpatrol]

I perused the majors available at the University of Delaware. Probably half or more of them are useless in today's job market. I mean a degree in "hip hop"? You gotta be fkn kidding me.

https://www.udel.edu/apply/undergraduate-admissions/major-finder/africana-studies/

I need to correct this post. The degree program is in Africana Studies with Hip Hop being only one area. I still have to question the marketability.

 

[tigris115]

I majored in Anthropology. It may not be the most marketable but I think I have a decent future studying human wildlife relations, especially with lauding the SU model and studying wildlife economics for conservation.

 

[tigris115]

I am all for the above...but we will have to do something about the low-wage illegals here that are doing much of this work now (speaking as one who lives in South Texas and would bet that a materially significant percentage of blue collar work is being done by folks here illegally).

I don't believe the majority of our elected officials want to do anything about that issue...

Stricter border enforcement that isn't just a giant, shiny wall and a streamlining of the immigration process so it doesn't take whole lifetimes to get some papers signed. Also, this has to work on both sides so we need to collaborate more with Mexico, Guatemala, and Honduras because if we're the only ones doing all the work, it'll all be wasted.

Also, I think the primary reason elected officials don't wanna do anything is because, through their eyes, having an undereducated workforce with no knowledge of American law or wage expectations is, in their eyes, an absolute win.

And while I'm here, Trump's wall is still gonna be as useful as a cardboard picket sign that says "Piss Off." Illegals and human traffickers aren't stupid and once the wall is actually erect, this is what's gonna happen

 

[Ray B]

It's as George Burns said to Bob Denver in Oh God!

He was explaining how He couldn't seem to rid the world of Bad while creating more Good. The two are inseparable. To have Good there must also be Bad, because if there were no Bad, Good would be no different from non-good. Conversely, There must be Good to have Bad. Here is where the egalitarians hand their collective hats. For if they eliminate Good, they will also eliminate Bad. If they eliminate Wealth, they will also eliminate Poverty.

 

[Hogpatrol]

We've got to move away from the current mindset being foisted on our youth and some voters that something is owed to them.

 

[Newboomer]

We've got to move away from the current mindset being foisted on our youth and some voters that something is owed to them.

Everyone is created equal. What happens after that is strictly up to the individual. Nobody owes anybody a thing. If you want something, work for it and earn it.

 

[tigris115]

My only concern is that what if people are too physically/mentally I'll or disabled to support themselves. My theoretical grassroots network of support and small local governments would yield great results similar to C.A.M.P.F.I.R.E.

Personally, I have a strong sense of wanting to help others and when I see those that are disenfranchised, I want to help. I know that just throwing money won't help but whenever I see people begging and stuff, I can't help but feel sympathy. Except for subway beggars. Screw subway beggars.

 

[tarbe]

Illegals and human traffickers aren't stupid and once the wall is actually erect, this is what's gonna happen

LOL - glad it isn't that easy!

But the tunnel will only concentrate them.

The rabbits are a lot harder to kill than the moles. You know where the moles are!

In 'da tunnels!

Edit: and no, I use "kill" loosely above. We only want to discourage illegal crossings.

 

[tigris115]

LOL - glad it isn't that easy!

But the tunnel will only concentrate them.

The rabbits are a lot harder to kill than the moles. You know where the moles are!

In 'da tunnels!

Edit: and no, I use "kill" loosely above. We only want to discourage illegal crossings.

It'll probably be 10x harder. Tunnel digging, trucks, planes, oceanic travel. And God knows how easy it is to fake the necessary documentation online. This is why if you want to secure a border, you need cooperative from both sides. Also, it really pays to think like a criminal.

 

[Ray B]

The NVA were tunneling under the wire at Khe Sanh and they learned that the US had a method of collapsing the tunnels- B52s. The drug mules might want to keep that lesson in mind as they approach the wall.

 

[Newboomer]

My only concern is that what if people are too physically/mentally I'll or disabled to support themselves. My theoretical grassroots network of support and small local governments would yield great results similar to C.A.M.P.F.I.R.E.

Personally, I have a strong sense of wanting to help others and when I see those that are disenfranchised, I want to help. I know that just throwing money won't help but whenever I see people begging and stuff, I can't help but feel sympathy. Except for subway beggars. Screw subway beggars.

The NVA were tunneling under the wire at Khe Sanh and they learned that the US had a method of collapsing the tunnels- B52s. The drug mules might want to keep that lesson in mind as they approach the wall.

With the technology available today it would be fairly simple to bug our side with ground sonar to locate the tunnels and trace them a suitable distance from the wall. Then a few sticks of TNT would put a crimp in the underground transit. A few applications of that and the word will get around that it ain't safe to tunnel. Nothing is going to completely stop it but anything we can do might slow it down some.

 

[sgt_zim]

This may seem wildly off topic from the post above me but I think this is why we need to advertise vocational schools more. I think that if more people knew about them, we'd see more people being able to make their own money. After all, everyone from paupers to princes needs an electrician or a plumber. I can safely say that the pressure the government puts on students to slog through standardized tests just for a degree they may not even use is pure sadism that only benefits an outdated orthodoxy. The more autonomy people have with their lives, the better it will be for everyone because then, you don't have people used to being henpecked by the man into submission, rather, you have strong, independent citizens.

Fair point, but you keep approaching these issues from the perspective of "we need to do things." Not to put too fine a point on it, but that's a big part of the problem, maybe the biggest part of the problem. "We" (in the form of our government) need to stop doing things. Every human can come up with plausible reasons why "we need to do something." And in fact, that is what has brought us to where we are today - the dint of constant pressure on the body politic to "do something."

Every single thing government does, even the most benign government, is an encroachment on our liberties. We formed civilizations to protect ourselves from marauders and murderers, so that we may live our lives in peace, free from the constant worry which prey animals live under. When government itself becomes the marauder and murderer, the incentive for productive people to live in that sort of "civilization" contracts.

Provide the populace with an assurance that there are equitable means for remediating violations of their private property rights (both criminal and civil). We don't have that now because government (local, state, and federal in the aggregate) is largely the biggest violator of private property rights.

I'd much rather deal with the issues arising from too great a degree of liberty than too little of it.

 

[Newboomer]

Everyone says we need to do something but all expect the govt to do it for us . Most of the population today has been brainwashed to the point they don't or can't think for themselves. They have had so much just handed to them that they lack any incentive to"do it themselves" which is exactly what govt wants and keeps harping on. It is a way to maintain control and keep themselves in office.

 

[tigris115]

Then give the people the resources the tools to think for themselves. We have the means with the digital age. Even if you don't have a computer or phone, libraries exist. Also, teach kids specifically about hunting down resources for their own sake. Saving this until college is asinine. I'd start with late elementary in making sure kids know how to go through their own research to answer questions. I feel a big problem with the education system is that it really kills creativity in favor of having children fill in circles with the repetitive regularity of the California sea lions up in the Bronx Zoo. Then people are shocked when there's a whole generation of people who have little to no aspiration, not realizing that we as a society neutered it in youth. This is why I believe education is the #1 thing that the feds need to be gone from. I speak with great passion because I still carry on relations with teachers (great people) and they agree that our schools really stimy children in favor of raw numbers.

Is anyone here from Finland? I've heard that they have one of the best K-12 systems out there but I'd like native verification.

 

[Newboomer]

Then give the people the resources the tools to think for themselves. We have the means with the digital age. Even if you don't have a computer or phone, libraries exist.

The resources are readily available. They don't have to be given to the people. The people have to seek them out themselves and attempt to distance themselves from the gimme gimme mentality.

 

[tigris115]

The resources are readily available. They don't have to be given to the people. The people have to seek them out themselves and attempt to distance themselves from the gimme gimme mentality.

Yea that too. Still, I think making sure people know this from an early age is necessary. There is a damned good reason that the phrase "children are the future" is a thing.

 

[tarbe]

Yea that too. Still, I think making sure people know this from an early age is necessary. There is a damned good reason that the phrase "children are the future" is a thing.

I believe this. It is why my wife and I spent tens of thousands of hours teaching our children what they need to know to be productive citizens.

It is also why I find myself spending a LOT of time at work, teaching the 30 and under crowd at work. Unfortunately, a lot of parents appear to leave the teaching to the government schools...bad call!

 

[tigris115]

Unfortunately, a lot of parents appear to leave the teaching to the government schools...bad call!

Well tbf, many parents these days are super busy, especially in a service economy based society like the United States. My parents did and still work quite hard and God bless them for that.

I think the #1 benefit of getting rid of the federal bureaucracy in schools is that it will allow different paths for students of different aptitudes. You may have some who would rather leave and go into vocational training or those who want to pursue higher academic purposes. The pigeonholing of so many kids into one line is what I think causes so much resentment. Especially when things like art and gym are constantly cut in favor of more and more testing. Of course, there should be some universal education standards and goals such as basic PEMDAS and the ability to properly construct an essay but I think our education system is in dire need of flexibility as a former student and a friend to many teachers.

Also real quick, has anyone here ever heard of Anarcho-Capitalism? Just curious.

 

[tarbe]

Unfortunately, there appear to be more than a few out there who are willing to make babies, but not willing to make raising them a priority.

That will never end well. Not for the individual or for the society in which it happens.