Politics

[LivingTheDream]

Original informed opinion is a rare commodity these days.

I agree with this 100%. It is so odd how Republicans and Democrats have shifted and completely flipped on some issues and the rank and file just cheer it on.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

I agree with this 100%. It is so odd how Republicans and Democrats have shifted and completely flipped on some issues and the rank and file just cheer it on.

I’m just a fisherman with way to much time on my hands to think on long steams but I truly feel that the tribalistic divide in western society is going to be the defining issue of this century. Liberal and conservative republican and democratic will be written in future history books the same way fascist communist and capitalist are now.

 

[LivingTheDream]

I’m just a fisherman with way to much time on my hands to think on long steams but I truly feel that the tribalistic divide in western society is going to be the defining issue of this century. Liberal and conservative republican and democratic will be written in future history books the same way fascist communist and capitalist are now.

I think there is a tribalistic divide going on everywhere in the West and not just in politics. Not sure if or how it impacts hunting in Canada but the Resident vs Non-Resident issue is getting worse here in the states. I know a guy (not super well) but he was a pretty hard-core hunter and is now donating what he was spending in tags/points/license to anti-hunting groups because he got so mad about it.

It seems like a divide and conquer strategy is being applied to everything to we do.

 

[spike.t]

A stunning reversal of fortunes in Canada’s historic election

After a campaign upended by Trump’s threats, the Liberals hope they can hold onto power.

www.bbc.com

 

[BSO Dave]

Future generations of Canadians will look back on the period of time we spent with a leader that painted himself black and feel shame much the same as future generations of Americans should feel about the actions of a leader who paints himself orange.

Not at all... Canadians should be proud they elected Trudeau... With him you got 2 for 1 in electing the first Canadian PM of color and the second female PM at the same time... Both huge DEI benchmarks!

And the world will be much better off with trump in retirement.

LOL... I could see how non-Americans and socialists would think so....

 

[spike.t]

Bloody Chinese at it again.....

Beijing seizes tiny sandbank in South China Sea

State media releases pictures of five coastguard officials stood on the strategic reef with a Chinese flag.

www.bbc.com

 

[Hank2211]

Tired of this whole argument, you will never convince me trade is fair and I will never convince you it is unfair. I don’t want this to degenerate into name calling, as I said I like Canadians. One of my wife and my most enjoyable vacations was Toronto to Vancouver by train in 2018.
Mike

"You will never convince me . . ."

Finally, we get the bottom line. There's no point in having a discussion or debate with people who will never be convinced. Facts won't matter, and evidence won't matter. It's like trying to convince a flat earthed that the earth is round.

I'm not saying who's right and who's wrong in this debate, but I am saying there's no point to the debate at all if people don't care what the other side has to say.

 

[yamoon]

"You will never convince me . . ."

Finally, we get the bottom line. There's no point in having a discussion or debate with people who will never be convinced. Facts won't matter, and evidence won't matter. It's like trying to convince a flat earthed that the earth is round.

I'm not saying who's right and who's wrong in this debate, but I am saying there's no point to the debate at all if people don't care what the other side has to say.

That’s why I won’t continue this thread. My wife and I were planning a cruise this fall from Boston up the northeast US and Canada coast, we are rethinking it now, we don’t want to visit a place where we are not welcome. Hopefully by late summer things will return to more normal with our northern neighbors.
Mike

 

[Brent in Az]

I think there is a tribalistic divide going on everywhere in the West and not just in politics. Not sure if or how it impacts hunting in Canada but the Resident vs Non-Resident issue is getting worse here in the states. I know a guy (not super well) but he was a pretty hard-core hunter and is now donating what he was spending in tags/points/license to anti-hunting groups because he got so mad about it.

It seems like a divide and conquer strategy is being applied to everything to we do.

There are 2 camps in the world. Those that buy into the lies, propaganda, and bullshit, spewed by Democrat wing of the mainstream media lapdogs, and those that see right thru the lies and smokescreen.
If it wasn't for the hate and division driven by the agendas of the left and it's media cronies, the current Democrat party, and it's radical faction, would probably never win another presidential election based on what they have become.

 

[rookhawk]

It was never about being green, it was about central control:

 

[yamoon]

Kansas is increasing the license fee on electric & hybrid cars and trucks. Way to go, penalize people for cutting down on carbon emissions.
Mike

 

[Alistair]

I mean, that was fairly inevitable, right?

Gas tax funds the road infrastructure. Now you're not only using that infrastructure, but doing so in a car that's 30% heavier than an ICE vehicle, with commensurately more wear.

Whilst you're trying to get people to adopt the new 'better' (not really, but pr), technology, you make it appealing to outweigh the early adopter inconvenience. Once it has some mass adoption, you do need to make up the lost revenue stream somehow. Could be now, could be next term, could be the one after that. The current political environment is permissive to such steps, so it make sense.

Personally, I think this is generally a good thing. Cut the EV incentives, make taxes equivalent for ICE vs EV, a level playing field. Let the market decide what it wants without government meddling.

I'd rather see taxes drop for ICE as a tool to do so than bump EV taxes, but I get it, gotta fund the road network somehow.

 

[WAB]

Kansas is increasing the license fee on electric & hybrid cars and trucks. Way to go, penalize people for cutting down on carbon emissions.
Mike

How much are you really cutting emissions? Al spinning reserve is gas fired. Line losses are as much as 35%, so it seems to me that all you are really doing is moving the point of emission at tremendous cost.

 

[yamoon]

You are probably correct, but it is the optics of the thing, I also drive an F250 4x4, so I pay plenty of gas tax.
Mike

 

[WAB]

You are probably correct, but it is the optics of the thing, I also drive an F250 4x4, so I pay plenty of gas tax.
Mike

Sorry, as an engineer this entire movement is counterintuitive to me. I’ve yet to see a macro analysis that proves that this makes environmental or financial sense.

 

[fourfive8]

Kansas is increasing the license fee on electric & hybrid cars and trucks. Way to go, penalize people for cutting down on carbon emissions.
Mike

Well most EVs are heavier thus are more hazardous to other vehicles and drivers. They are heavier so do more road damage. They are more hazardous to emergency workers who have to deal with the hazardous materials and the greater fire and electrocution risks. The batteries and electronics components are hazmat so will have to dealt with locally. Globally, the raw material extraction then manufacture of the base components, primarily in places like China, is extremely environmentally damaging. Once the useful life of such components and vehicles is used up some can be recycled at great expense but other portions have to be stored in long term hazmat storage facilities. The carbon fiber and nano carbon fiber used in the frames and bodies of many of these vehicles, to help offset some of the greater mass of the battery, is currently considered hazmat so has to be stored in long term secure facilities. No one knows what to do with most of it, a situation similar to the dilemma associated with the carbon fiber primary structures of wind turbines. Much of that crap may have an environmental half life of millions of years or more. Then charging the EV batteries will require greater grid density of outlets and place a greater strain on the regional power grid. Just as with powering AI, the gas lighting continues about how increasing EV use won’t or doesn’t increase the cost of electricity to average consumer. Possibly the largest public gas lighting effort currently under way that is conveniently flying under the complicit MSM’s radar. Please explain the economic principle where increased demand without comparable increased supply doesn’t increase cost? No mystery at all why Kansas is considering increased fees. And I’m sure Waste Management ( aka Big Green) is busy lobbying conversely for more EV use without offset fee or penalty, After all they have continually attempted to corner much of the government contract market for handling and storing such waste. What a system…

 

[fourfive8]

That’s why I won’t continue this thread. My wife and I were planning a cruise this fall from Boston up the northeast US and Canada coast, we are rethinking it now, we don’t want to visit a place where we are not welcome. Hopefully by late summer things will return to more normal with our northern neighbors.
Mike

As I’ve posted before, you could not pay me enough to ever go back to Canada. I never lost nothing there anyway. For absolutely no reason, my family and I were treated extremely poorly by Canada government officials in 2017. Even the “average Joe” Air Canada clerk was a prick with an attitude. So no thanks!

 

[spike.t]

I mean, that was fairly inevitable, right?

Gas tax funds the road infrastructure. Now you're not only using that infrastructure, but doing so in a car that's 30% heavier than an ICE vehicle, with commensurately more wear.

Whilst you're trying to get people to adopt the new 'better' (not really, but pr), technology, you make it appealing to outweigh the early adopter inconvenience. Once it has some mass adoption, you do need to make up the lost revenue stream somehow. Could be now, could be next term, could be the one after that. The current political environment is permissive to such steps, so it make sense.

Personally, I think this is generally a good thing. Cut the EV incentives, make taxes equivalent for ICE vs EV, a level playing field. Let the market decide what it wants without government meddling.

I'd rather see taxes drop for ICE as a tool to do so than bump EV taxes, but I get it, gotta fund the road network somehow.

Tax the fkn EV shit way more...heavier ...so more road damage...more rubber particles put into the air...more brake dust etc put into the air......green bullshit.......and as said all the lovely poisons put into the environment from the mining onwards.....gotta love those green fktards.....know what I would do with them.....but better keep mouth zipped ..

 

[Hunt anything]

As I’ve posted before, you could not pay me enough to ever go back to Canada. I never lost nothing there anyway. For absolutely no reason, my family and I were treated extremely poorly by Canada government officials in 2017. Even the “average Joe” Air Canada clerk was a prick with an attitude. So no thanks!

I won’t go back either, been 5 times and the last time was 2003, treated like criminals at the border, checked 3 times in 1 day by the same game warden and to top it off when we went to the airport in Saskatoon to pick up another guy he never showed even though he was on the plane. This was Friday night and he had been arrested. Years earlier he had a DUI and was refused entry. They put him in a cell and told him a judge might approve his entry on Monday morning. He declined and went home on the next flight out. They finally paged me at about midnight and told me the story. He could’ve researched it and gotten pre approval but he didn’t know. His fault but all of the Canadian officials we met were rude as hell but the people and farmers were wonderful.

 

[yamoon]

Sorry to hear of your bad experiences, I have been to Canada 3 times, not hunting just on vacation, we have been treated well each time.
Mike